http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/ Ambit Gambit Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:31:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2396 Doug Fri, 23 May 2008 10:30:52 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2396 Well it works for Senate preselections quite well. Isn't the complaint with branch stacking that concentrated numbers make it unrepresentative? Well it works for Senate preselections quite well.
Isn’t the complaint with branch stacking that concentrated numbers make it unrepresentative?

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2397 Graham Young Thu, 22 May 2008 16:08:47 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2397 Doug, in an effort to kill branch stacking you've just killed democracy! How can you justify an SEC with 10 times the members having only 66.66 more representation? Doug, in an effort to kill branch stacking you’ve just killed democracy! How can you justify an SEC with 10 times the members having only 66.66 more representation?

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2398 Doug Thu, 22 May 2008 15:35:57 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2398 An SEC with 1000 members will have have 8 delegates to convention whereas under the Liberal constitution they would have 100 delegates. An SEC with 100 members has 5 delegates whereas previously they would have 10. There is no longer an incentive to enrol every member in your family plus the family dog just to boost delegate entitlements. Of course every person can vote in preselections but the existing rule requiring residency in the electorate for which you are preselecting fixed that several years back. An SEC with 1000 members will have have 8 delegates to convention whereas under the Liberal constitution they would have 100 delegates. An SEC with 100 members has 5 delegates whereas previously they would have 10.
There is no longer an incentive to enrol every member in your family plus the family dog just to boost delegate entitlements.
Of course every person can vote in preselections but the existing rule requiring residency in the electorate for which you are preselecting fixed that several years back.

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2399 Graham Young Thu, 22 May 2008 12:51:52 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2399 Good question Rossco. I guess you mean people who aren't already members of parliament? The document given to the Liberals suggests that everyone will be Liberals, but Springborg's document suggests they won't. Doug, how does your proposal end branch stacking? Good question Rossco. I guess you mean people who aren’t already members of parliament?
The document given to the Liberals suggests that everyone will be Liberals, but Springborg’s document suggests they won’t.
Doug, how does your proposal end branch stacking?

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2400 rossco Thu, 22 May 2008 12:21:45 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2400 Looking further down the track, if the amalgamation goes ahead, and if the new party succeeds in getting Federal MPs elected to Canberra, would they sit in the Liberal party room or the Nationals? I think that is the real test of the nature of the beast. Looking further down the track, if the amalgamation goes ahead, and if the new party succeeds in getting Federal MPs elected to Canberra, would they sit in the Liberal party room or the Nationals? I think that is the real test of the nature of the beast.

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2401 Doug Thu, 22 May 2008 11:30:30 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2401 imagine a system where delegates to convention are limited to 5 from every SEC with 1 additional delegate for every 250 members in the SEC over the first 250. imagine the end of branch stacking then as we know it... imagine a system where delegates to convention are limited to 5 from every SEC with 1 additional delegate for every 250 members in the SEC over the first 250.
imagine the end of branch stacking then as we know it…

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2402 Graham Young Wed, 21 May 2008 17:43:35 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2402 We'll see. This is what they've told the State Council, and you would have thought that they would stick closely to the bones of what they've discussed. So what else are they going to ditch? We’ll see. This is what they’ve told the State Council, and you would have thought that they would stick closely to the bones of what they’ve discussed.
So what else are they going to ditch?

]]> http://www.ambitgambit.com/2008/05/21/better-information-on-the-liberal-national-party/comment-page-1/#comment-2403 Doug Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:35 +0000 http://localhost/ambit/?p=3084#comment-2403 "There will also be a state convention, which assuming the parties are telling us the truth about their memberships, will comprise around 1700 people! One delegate for every 10 branch members plus the State Council." You're running off the old model, with out of date information... a new deal is just around the corner. “There will also be a state convention, which assuming the parties are telling us the truth about their memberships, will comprise around 1700 people! One delegate for every 10 branch members plus the State Council.”
You’re running off the old model, with out of date information… a new deal is just around the corner.

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