Comments on: Better to have been silent than to apologise

By: Graham Young

Graham Young — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:02:36 +0000

David, I agree with your interpretation, and while I'm Cartesian in inclination, I do try to live my life a little more holistically. For another very good take on this readers might like to check out ABC Radio's Religion Report http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2006/1744967.htm#transcript. You might also be interested in Mark Bahnisch's take at Larvatus Prodeo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/09/18/what-then-does-pope-benedict-mean/#more-2725

By: Leigh

Leigh — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:18:27 +0000

I’m with Week by Week. The massive, but typical overreaction of some Muslims (as opposed to the me-poor-victim one of most Muslims) is the real worry.
Apart from the fact that Islam does not have an equivalent of the Pope to burn an effigy of, no other relgion or sect reacts to criticism the way Muslims do.

By: LM

LM — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:25:39 +0000

John, you seem like an exciting person to have around for dinner….

By: David james

David james — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:20:16 +0000

Graham
You’re right, I think: the speech is Very Important, but also difficult. In consequence, any reading of it probably reveals more about our own grasp of the issues than what he was trying to communicate. But we have to try.
On my reading, it breaks down to the tensions between sense (empiricism,, exemplified by science), reason (philosophy), and faith (imagination). Benedict observes that Christianity offers a synthesis of Hellenic reasoned philosophy and the Judiac religious imagination, and on this worldview, Europe was founded.Come the advent of science – Decarte, Newton et al, 1600s – however, reason abandoned the imagination in favour of the senses, ushering in two centuries of atheism, leaving morality up to the individual. This has been breaking down of late.
Benedict’s solution is to expand the radius of reason beyond the constraints of empiricism. Reason needs to embrace the truth revealed by the imagination. Put another way, he is arguing that a sound worldview will embrace sense, reason and imagination – science, philosophy and theology – into an integrated, synergistic worldview.
Hence, him saying: “We will succeed in doing so only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons.”
Hence his comment: “…great experiences and insights of the religious traditions of humanity, and those of the Christian faith in particular, is a **source of knowledge***, and to ignore it would be an unacceptable restriction of our listening and responding.”
And, finally: “Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today.”
The irony is that he offers reason as the shared ground for shaping a shared worldview, and the response is anything but reasonable! He was right to apologise, insofar as his message was powerfully misconstrued, and insofar as he was responsible for this. But, sheesh, you have to dispair at the chances of his program succeeding, at least during in Papacy, given how irrational the debate, and the response, to his lecture has been.
Sorry this is so long…got carried away with myself…oh well, it is writ,
Cheers
David James
(Friend of Susan’s – we met at the Bris Institute last month)
As things stand, sensory science is at war with religious imagination, and philosophy is a poor cousin, not knowing where to look. Result: people are confused, so unhappy.

By: WeekbyWeek

WeekbyWeek — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:52:14 +0000

Well thought and argued article.
But isn’t the focus not so much what was said, but the reaction!

By: John

John — Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:32:12 +0000

Christians like to talk a lot about “reason”. Where is the “reason” in being a Christian?
Reason or true intellectual enquiry begins with an open hearted, open minded disposition of not knowing.
What do we really know about anything?
What do we really know about what may or may not have happened 2000 years ago re the entirely legendary cartoon character called “jesus”?
Similarly if one exercises reason in this fashion how can any of the “truth” claims of Christianity possibly be justified? Especially the role of the Pope?
So too for Islam of course.
We also live in a moment in time when all the Sacred Scriptures and practices of the entire Great Tradition of Humankind are freely available on the internet. Who then owns The Holy Brightness?
And the horrors of their histories too.
Especially the INEVITABLE horrors of monotheistic claims to only one “truth”. The INEVITABLE outcome of all only one “truth” monotheisms are would be world conquering cultural movements. Islam & Christianity specialise in this. Monotheism is always a dangerous delusion when aligned with political power. ALWAYS!
Monotheism IS a delusion!! A highly reductive egoically self created and self serving (both individual & collective) misunderstanding of the all pervasive Divine Love-Bliss-Radiance of Real God.
Look at monotheistic inspired dreadfully sane Christian America. It accounts for 48% of world armaments production and world wide sales.
Meanwhile these related references provide a spiritualy informed critique of the usual individual & collective self serving monotheistic delusions.
1. http://www.dabase.net/dht7.htm
2. http://www.dabase.net/noface.htm
3. http://www.dabase.net/rgcbpobk.htm
Specifically on Christianity
4. http://www.dabase.net/proofch6.htm#idol
This essay provides a unique understanding of the origins & consequences of the current universal insanity.
5. http://www.dabase.net/coop+tol.htm